Politician says what most of us are thinking

We need more poeple like this in US politics
by deleted 3 years ago (Dec 14, 2012) in Discussion
In Michigan, the Republican-controlled legislature succeeded in passing a new "right-to-work" law, which weakens unions' ability to negotiate and has serious negative implications for all workers in the state. They had no public meetings, no debate, no time for review, and had Republican staffers sit in seats in the gallery to block citizens from even being in the room to hear about it.

So this guy decided to say something about that.
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  • deleted | 3 years ago | 27 points
    Nice upload my good man
    • deleted | 3 years ago | 0 points
      I like videos that point out the politicians bought off by the unions as well. Or should I say swayed by a "political contribution" to keep it legal? Either way, I agree, nice upload.
      • deleted | 3 years ago | 6 points
        Unless I understood this wrong, this guy was bitching about politicians that were passing a right to work law, meaning that anyone could get a job regardless of whether or not they are in a union... That would be very anti-union... It was a republican legislature... Democrats are the ones bought and paid for by unions... The republicans are owned by big oil and other big business lobbyist... Either side of the aisle, theyre all bought and paid for....
  • number1fella | 3 years ago | 14 points
    Michigan took one more step backwards for the people soon everybody will be working for nothing
    • deleted | 3 years ago | 11 points
      Exactly...People don't realize how much lobbying by corporate America takes place in Washington to scare the government into showing why these companies should continue to pay their measly minimum wage..They scare them into thinking they are on the brink of bankruptcy if they had to pay decent wages,yet continue to post enormous profits for their shareholders...
    • deleted | 3 years ago | 6 points
      Michigan is corrupt as Fuck! I'm from Flint, it's a more concentrated shit hole then Detroit! This kinda shit happens All the time, passing stuff without even letting THE PEOPLE vote on it! Good for that Guy for standing up for the people, and having the Balls to say something about it! Good post killerClown!
    • bigmekanik | 3 years ago | 3 points
      I am a non union skilled laborer. I work in a right to work state. I know for a fact that I make ~10% more than the same level union hands out of my local hall. If I joined the union, it would cost me ~$12000 a year in benefits, out of pocket fees, and salary. I believe that unions are sometimes needed, but to force every person in the state to join one or not work only empowers the upper levels of the political heirarchy in the union and the corrupt political officials wanting their money and backing.
      • number1fella | 3 years ago | 0 points
        You have that right. Just don't get hurt or they'll say didn't happen here then you'll be out a job and no union to help you. The union main purpose is the worker
  • raticus | 3 years ago | 11 points
    • deleted | 3 years ago | 2 points
      While the Affordable Care Act passed in lame duck. It was not jammed through without debate. Not only did the Affordable Care Act have committee hearings - they were televised. This legislation is being forced through without the people to have a voice.%uFEFF It is being forced through the legislature with an appropriation, making it referendum-proof so that the people will NEVER have a voice.
      • MarkieAA | 3 years ago | 9 points
        Obamacare will never live down Nancy Pelosi standing up in front of Congress and saying, "You have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it away from the fog of controversy." It was shoved down the throats of Congress and, therefore, down the throats of citizens.
  • HarryWang | 3 years ago | 8 points
    If these workers think they are eing abused, taken advantage of, and not paid enough. Then fucking quit and let someone else who needs a job take it. I am so sick of these whiney ass democrats and these unions. I do like unions but they have absolutely gotten out of control. Wome of these retired union employees are making more money on retirement than when they were working and not contributing one ounce to the workforce.
    • HonkeySupremo | 3 years ago | 2 points
      Well when your house burns down or your wife is having a heart attack don't be pissed when the understaffed fire department can't save your faggot ass. Not because they didn't want too, but because they couldn't make ends meet and QUIT. Sure, you and some other poor bastard would gladly take the job, granted you paid to get the State required schooling and licenses. You got it all under control don't you?
      • TheTeam | 3 years ago | 3 points
        That doesn't make sense. Only Union people can afford to make ends meet? Most hard working, employed, responsible people aren't Union. To follow your logic, no Union, no well paying jobs. That's not true.

        Nevertheless, even if true, what does it have to do with forcing people into a union? That's not freedom or democratic. Just a counterpoint. Try not to insult me or my ass if you have that freedom.
        • DaPug | 3 years ago | 3 points
          Unions raise the bar for ALL workers across the field. Other companies will keep wages, benefits, and work conditions higher,,, just to keep unions OUT.

          With right to work how ever, companies have the right to use and abuse workers (the main reason FOR unions) while union busting across the state. Wages and benefits will go down over time as the unions lose influence on those areas, and companies will eventually reduce what used to be a middle class job into a min wage job.

          And of course , when your paying min wage... what kind of workers do ya get? That would be Honkey's point
          • TheTeam | 3 years ago | 1 point
            So this goes back to "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" it seems. No one is talking about forcing people to work for min wage. However, you (I mean "you" in the general sense. Nothing personal) want to prohibit the ability for an individual to decide if they want to be a part. It's OK, and we should promote individual thoughts/actions as well as a group. But, as it was in MI, forcing people to conform, right or wrong, is not liberty.
            • DaPug | 3 years ago | 2 points
              And here we get to the same line of thinking that should apply to smoking bans. If you don't want to join the union, don't apply to a union job.

              None is "forcing" you to join a union. There is no ninja union rallying to sprout one on you in the morning when you clock in. There are no G-men hiding at corners to mug you for union dues

              Be part or don't be part all on your own. But don't eat at my proverbial dinner with out paying for it
    • Freeman | 3 years ago | 0 points
      Your the reason why corporations are taking over America . If it doesn't bother you then go work in fucken China in a factory for 2 cents an hour . Then you'll come back crying like a little Bitch !!!!
  • deleted | 3 years ago | 7 points
    unions destroyed GM, unions raised wages artificially and hurt the overall economy. Wages will go down in this country. As the economy continues to shrink as it has over the last 4 years more people will be competing for the jobs left in the shrinking economy. The way wages increase naturally is when the economy grows to where employers have to compete for employees.
    • voltviking | 3 years ago | 1 point
      Its all about corporations making big profits, where I work the unions lost a lot of their market share, the wages did go down initaly but now that the corporations have to compete for labour and the wages should increase they have gotten legislation passed to bring in TFW's ( temporary foriegn workers) they are allowed to bring workers ( mostly from china) a year in advance of an expected labour shortage and also got legislation to allow them to pay %15 less than the going rate for trades. Now they are completing entire multi billion dollar projects with %100 TFW labour while there are 10s of thousands of skilled local trades men out of work. They are allowed to work for 12 months before they even need to prove they are qualified to work in their trade.( I work in Canada btw) they even refuse to use American workers. Right to work is just one more step in this direction. Step one: destroy unions. Step 2 : right to work. Step 3: Temporary foriegn workers.
      • voltviking | 3 years ago | 1 point
        And I'm not refering to Mom and Pop operations that can't afford to unionize, these are massive oil companies, exxon, shell, imperial oil, and others. They paid off the polititians and can now use cheap labour and poor working conditions.
    • deleted | 3 years ago | -1 point
      What kills an economy is broke people...How many union employees make bad money?..GM destroyed GM...Bad management in the way of excess pay for upper management and pushing out poorly designed cars that the public didn't want...How can an economy grow when their is stagnant wages that do not pair up with the cost of living?...
  • Scardick | 3 years ago | 6 points
    Not all people that work in the union are lazy.. Its just some of em take advantage of it. I know and I seen it I work for ups and I hate that some people do take advantage of it. Sucks
    • Spence189 | 3 years ago | 5 points
      Just wait and see how lazy everyone gets when we become a socialist country. If there's no "dream" to work for, then everyone's going to ho-hum there work days away.
      • jbondage | 3 years ago | 3 points
        thank fucking god someone gets it.
  • deleted | 3 years ago | 4 points
    I work with a bunch of lazy union people...they fuck up, and the union backs them and they somehow get write ups thrown out, discipline nullified and their reviews have no documentation to reflect anything in the slightest...so they are free to screw up again and start the process over. Unions serve no purpose in today's society given the current laws supporting people in general. Right to work simply means do your fucking job and do it well, or you don't deserve to have it. Fuck unions!
    • xtc4aqt69 | 3 years ago | 5 points
      Not all unions are bad and not all union employees are lazy people. Unions help to secure fair and safe work practices along with fair wages. If you witness abuse taking place, you are free to bring it to the international. Problem is, there are to many people worried about what others are doing instead of what they themselves should be doing. Right to work ALSO means that you can seek employment somewhere there aren't "lazy union people."
      • Ogre77 | 3 years ago | 3 points
        Let's be real, Unions only goal is to keep members. To do this they secure the best pay and benefits for their members. However, they sometimes go over the line. I worked in a union transportation company and had a driver come to work drunk, ready to drive. I sent him to get a alcohol test and he was fired. Within one month, the union had him back at work!
        • xtc4aqt69 | 3 years ago | 2 points
          You do make a good point, but there is always more to a story. For instance, chances are he came back conditionally (stay in a program, mandatory regular testing, 10 years probation, etc). Most medium to large businesses have a second chance policy, union or not. I do not necessarily agree 100 percent on everything they do, not all unions are created equal. I do feel that without unions this country would be much worse off.
      • Tatertot | 3 years ago | 3 points
        I'm local 1607 Millwright yes you do run in to lazy f'n slugs and most of the time there not working but sometimes you need bodies on a turnaround and you give them fucked up jobs then lay them the fuck off!!!
        Fuck scab eating mother fucking rats trying to steel my work!! I look at my carhartt tags to see if they are made in USA
      • MarkieAA | 3 years ago | 2 points
        In my opinion, unions have gone well beyond their usefulness. Sure, we have the 40 hour work week, paid vacations, etc. because of unions. But we also have people making way more than they should sitting on an assembly line turning a screwdriver, which drives the cost of items through the roof, which, in turn practically forces American companies to open plants overseas. We have disincentives to work hard because the union says you should only make 35 widgets a day and how dare you make 40. We have Union Bosses who live like kings. It's like anything else; unions got powerful, realized they were powerful, and kept rolling.
        • xtc4aqt69 | 3 years ago | 2 points
          I cannot speak production based union jobs, I maintain locomotives. If it wasn't for unions in my job, I wouldn't have any healthcare or I'd be paying 1800.00 per month for me and my family. Some unions DO end up screwing themselves out of jobs (airlines). It is all about checks and balances. They expect us to follow their rules, the union expects them to treat us fairly. That is what MY union does for me. I have been on the other side of the fence.
        • DaPug | 3 years ago | 1 point
          I have worked manufacturing Unions, along with a few others. This is another case of not enough information, as the "overpaid" workers are there to do a LOT more then turn a screwdriver. Just as the CEO is there to do a LOT more then drink coffee and bop his secretary.

          Look at it this way. Over the last 50 years... management salaries have gone up 300-500% * adjusted for cost of living), depending on industry. Hourly workers have gone DOWN 30% (adjusted for cost of living) The top managements job has gotten NO harder over time then the bottom hourly workers job, and he is literally NO more valuable then 50 years ago. And yet their salary ( not including perks , bonuses, and retirments packages) have a rockets up its ass.

          And if your going to rely on the GOVERNMENT to protect your existing perks ( paid vacation, paid overtime, 40 hour work week) knwo that such things have been under attack across the nation at the state and federal level for YEARS, and are slowly eroding away. With Michigan , you just watch
          • DaPug | 3 years ago | 1 point
            with michigan, you just watched how money in the right pockets buys you what ever laws you want. Lets ponder who has that money... and who is benefiting with its spending....

            and you think johnny fatcat is going to give you a fair shake at the job market when he can make MUCH MORE by changing the laws?
          • MarkieAA | 3 years ago | 1 point
            Well, you addressed ONE of the things I said about unions, albeit, I'd love to know where you get your figures. Truth is though, relating to skyrocketing management salaries; it's a much smaller pool to draw from to find folks qualified to run upper management of a Fortune 500 company than to find someone to, for example, work on the assembly line at an auto plant.
            Don't get me wrong, I think the huge salaries and "golden parachutes" these companies - some of them failing - offer CEOs are ridiculous. And greed will always be a factor in a capitalist society. However, the "leveling" that comes from the unions is, in my opinion, worse.
            • DaPug | 3 years ago | 1 point
              Figures come from government and non profit studies. Afraid I didn't bookmark them but I will make an effort to find them when I get home.

              As for being qualified to be a CEO, afraid I am not familiar with what one needs to know to qualify. I do know many people looking to enter management are finding its as saturated a field as IT. And much like IT, some are struggling to find work, while others are walking from college into sugar deals. But I haven't read any studies on it.

              While I agree that not everyone hired off the street is capable to run a worldwide business, I disagree that todays workers are less valuable to a company then 30 or 50 years ago compared to management.

              To use your assembly line example, 50 years ago a gradeschool dropout could work any job on the line. Today you at the very least need a HS diploma and familiarity with computers, with many sections needing college level understanding of chemicals, engineering, or mechincs
              • MarkieAA | 3 years ago | 1 point
                I assume, when you speak of skyrocketing management salaries, you're not speaking about those "entering" management, but those at the top, or near the top. I'm mid- to low-management and I certainly haven't seen skyrocketing salaries.
                My comment about assembly line workers applies to all blue-collar workers. No doubt that this country would be in a world of hurt without them, but I think that these skills you speak of on the assembly line today could be taught to folks with reasonable intelligence and a good work ethic; on the job. Or, as company-sponsored training classes. And I'm sure that the unions had a very strong say in getting these classes offered to the workers. That's certainly one of the pluses to a union. However, don't you think that, if a company needed "specially-educated" workers for the assembly line, they would naturally take care of that themselves? After all, without them, no matter how good management is, the company fails.
                • DaPug | 3 years ago | 1 point
                  can't seem to find the exact study I had in mind, but will keep hunting it down.

                  It compared salary to hourly compensation from 30 and 50 years ago to do, in various fields of work, sponsored by a university.

                  While yes, the top management jobs have gone through the roof, CEO pay has increase by as much as 3000% in some fields. How ever this was a salary VS hourly study, so no it was not centering on just upper management.

                  It was an interesting read, published either 2009 or 2010. Upgraded PCs since then though =/

                  Anyways, yes I will say a lot of assembly line work can be taught on the job or through work training. This is more due to machinery/jobs being specialized moreso then lack of available non work training to prepare. Each plant/shop has different set ups, standards, targets, ect ect. Even someone for instance with experience working at Folgers would require retraining to work at Nestle.
                • DaPug | 3 years ago | 1 point
                  Pardon the split comments =) part 2

                  I agree with your assessment of a business. A well run business is one (in my opinion) is one that realizes they are more or less a support structure to maximize the effectiveness of its lowest paid workers.

                  With out a quality product made to certain safety/health/engineering standards, there is no business.

                  This line of thought how ever does not jive with people who are just looking to rape a business, making short term profits to gain monsterous compensation, but leaving long term issues ( flipping a company )

                  Take a look into the Twinkie business, where poor manamgement drove a company into the ground, yet they asked for ( and were granted permission to ) give that same management its compensation packages, while giving the shaft of thousands of workers who have no control over the mismanagement of the company.
    • Dracon1123 | 3 years ago | 2 points
      I wish I could plus you more for this
  • somelips | 3 years ago | 4 points
    The symbol of Fabian Socialism is the Wolf in a sheepskin...Lie, cheat, obfuscate. The Unions are run by Fabians. Here's the lie...yes, compulsory dues makes everyone carry the load equally PROVIDING the DUES is spent on defending the employee. It is NOT. It is FACT that over 45% of all Union members ARE "Right-Wing"...WHY would YOU want YOUR dues sent to DC to elect officials who are IMMORAL to your point of view?
    As to the title of this rant, I don't think we need anymore people like him in office, at all. Marxists.They want to RUN YOUR LIFE, and RULE OVER YOU. Mrxism and YOUR FREEDOM cannot occupy the same life simultaneously.
  • Ogre77 | 3 years ago | 4 points
    So you don't like people being able to take advantage of your hard work? Well, now you know how I feel about paying for your medical care and earned income tax credit and any other government handout there is.
  • deleted | 3 years ago | 3 points
    That guy is a FUCKIN boss!!
  • deleted | 3 years ago | 3 points
    What I find frustrating is not the issue with Unions, but the practice of passing amendments without parliamentary debate. We have Harper here as Prime Minister and he passed two major Omnibus bills (which are over 400 pages long each) that are disguised as 'budget' bills, but have nothing to do with the budget. It has changed laws from environmental protection to Employment Insurance. They were passed through without much debate by a 'majority' government that has won its majority with only 38% of votes.
  • BigChippa | 3 years ago | 3 points
    I've worked both, union and non! Union is better for the worker, non for the company! Cheaper labor, no benefits, revolving door of employees, cutting corners at every angle to save, no safety practices followed, you die, your replaced, no sick or holiday days. I'll take Union all day! Better work done, correct, better wages and compensation for time worked, vacation and sick days, bonuses, full benefits!
  • ApeMan1489 | 3 years ago | 3 points
    anyone else think its ironic that there is a Grinch doll sitting on the desk of one of the representatives?
  • yfz450 | 3 years ago | 2 points
    With out a vote
  • MrHoward | 3 years ago | 2 points
    Everyone else in that room..... your arguments are now invalid.
  • fergcj7 | 3 years ago | 2 points
    ohio is next . states will be fighting for jobs. and try to keep them
  • bigtex | 3 years ago | 2 points


    acronym for: Useless Fucking Crying Wimps

    A pile of people who claim to represent the masses oftrades and Commercial Workers. Since the days of labor laws, unions have become worthless, they do nothing but impose fear in their own members, crying and bitching so they can appear to serve a purpose.

    P1: Hey, I got a pile of mail today from the UFCW telling me absolutely nothing about what they do for my 5$ a week, except say that they want to keep lazy people making more than i do.